I see your shifting gaze, that disgusted glance. I know you’re questioning my parenting from across the elementary school assembly.
Let me tell you a little story about the kindergarten student with bright purple hair, my little Raven Marie…
A month before school started she decided to play hair stylist with the craft scissors, and to save what was left I had to opt for a pixie cut. She was absolutely devastated. It was about three hours before she stopped her harsh sobbing and hiccups.
She has thought that the length of a girls hair was what made her “girly”. I know I’ve personally had many hairstyles around her before, including a purple mohawk, which many people criticized as not being “girly” enough. Media, other children, other parents, and society made it worse. She would randomly burst in tears while out in public for the first week of her new style, screaming that she looked like a boy. That everyone would think she’s a boy.
At one point she took off her bow in her hair, threw it at a cashier and screamed, “I DON’T NEED THIS BOW TO TELL YOU THAT I’M NOT A BOY, BECAUSE I’M NOT”
Proudly stomping away in her blue jean overalls, head held high.
Once we edged closer to the first day of school she kept asking questions like, “Do you think the other kids will like me? Do you think they’ll be my friend? Will they think I’m a boy? Will they pick on me because I have boy hair?”
So I went to the grocery store, bought some dye, and spent the whole night transforming my bright blonde little girl into a plum punk rock fairy. I then assured her that if any of the kids didn’t like her, they were just jealous.
As for you, mothers and teachers with the wandering eyes filled with disgust and judgement, I’m in the business of raising a free spirit.
Here’s to you, Raven Marie. I love you.
I SUPPORT THIS 11766%
PARENTING DONE RIGHT <3
pablophonic, which one you want?
So much want.
Theres got to be an amazing pickup line here somewhere
I want the upper left one so bad. Ohhh my gosh.
Gonna sleep in spaaace
I’M THE BEST AT SPACE
Carlo Pagulayan did these to illustrate what the poses would look like on a 3D model. You can find his original post here.
If you can’t access the link, Mr. Pagulayan comments:
Seeing the two covers I didn’t see anything wrong with the poses. Granted Land’s depiction of Silk’s anatomy is a bit fragile for my taste, but the pose still works.
SInce I don’t have a female model on call, I had to whip out Daz3d again to illustrate how the poses are perfectly plausible.
Being too technical makes some works stiff and generic, and to me the cover artist’s executions add a bit of grace compared to the other’s suggested corrections, which tends to be a bit more masculine.
A good artist can think in 3 dimensions and figure out how a figure would work. While also thinking of the field of view, or whatever lens effect (Fisheye, extrem perspective, etc). But then not all artist think the same or have the same imagination, and what you think is right, isn’t always the case for everyone, especially when you have different art styles.
That said, I’m sticking with the covers which to me are definitely better
Edit/Add: Also who’s to know what are the anatomical limitations of someone imbued with spider powers?
And on a personal note, you and your followers should probably look more at Milo Manara’s body of work before making all sorts of assumptions based on one not so great cover. Spider-Woman is NOT SQUATTING like you assumed. She is in the middle of climbing up a building with one leg still dangling off.
And your ‘correction’ of Greg Land’s cover looks like they’re in a jazz recital, not superheroes.
Where do I start?
First of all, I have to say thank you to Mr. Pagulayan for building a critique of my critique based on the critique itself. I can appreciate that. You are of course entitled to your opinion, and hope you will continue to let me be entitled to mine.
You say you have no problem with the covers and that’s fine, but I do have a problem with them and that’s fine too. You’ve built 3D models to illustrate your points, and that takes a bit of extra dedication that I respect. Nicely done. I’d like to bring your attention to the differences between your 3D models and the actual cover art.
When I redlined Greg Land’s cover, it was mostly because it was combined with Manara’s cover, which I found was a bigger issue. Land’s art is often traced, and what your 3D model shows me is that he possibly went from tracing photos to tracing 3D models. Hey, it’s fine to use reference to do your art! Manga Studio is built to have this exact functionality: importing 3D models and positioning them as you need in order to create your comic book art. That’s a really helpful tool, but sometimes, for some people, it becomes too much of a crutch in art. It stiffens everything up, plus there’s the fact that 3D models can be twisted in such a way that it goes beyond what is actually possible for a human body.
As for Manara’s cover, where did I say anything against the man, or his body of work, at any point in my critique? I talked about this piece, this pose being problematic because of its overt sexuality where no sexual context was involved. I’ve explained this within my post. It saddens me how people jumped to conclusions about how I was insulting Manara’s body of work or his anatomy when all I commented on was the posing.
Anyway, on to pictures.
Oh, and for the record, dear submitter, they look like they’re in a jazz recital in the original cover, as well. I didn’t change the pose much at all. As for your comment of my drawings being more masculine, maybe it’s because you’re so used to seeing women drawn all about boobs and butts that anything out of that mold means femininity is lost.
This said, I think it bears repeating:
FYI, Comic Artists and Fanboys and Defenders of the Bad Anatomy! Above is a beautiful example of sexuality on display versus a woman that is doing something awesome.
On the top: Sexy.
On the bottom: Woman At Work, Being Awesome.
Nothing wrong with the top. But don’t be drawing the top when your character is busy being the bottom one, okay? Thank you.
read this all the way through because she says it so eloquently
Men are afraid women will take a sledgehammer to their heart
and refuse a drink and a night in bed.
Women are afraid men will take a sledgehammer to their head
if they refuse the drink and a night in bed.
You call this just how life is?
I call it a civil war.
We are windmills trying to harness the current of progress
but you keep breaking off all our arms.
You call our bodies our biggest enemies?
Our biggest enemies are you.
I wanna know if you remember being a child when the tooth fairy
delivered money to the cool underside of your pillow
every time you lost a tooth.
We’re still the tooth fairies even though
believe it or not we got pretty big fucking fangs.
We still hand our money over to you
day by day no matter how many hours we spend
at the exact same job.
And listen up. We always work overtime.
For every footprint we make forward in the dust,
you erase another one.
I want my paycheck back.
You lost a tooth and you got paid.
We lost our bodies and our jobs and our sense of self
and we were laid off
while you just thought about getting laid.
Here’s a joke: a woman walks into a bar
and when she refuses a stranger’s advances
she doesn’t end up dead.
I seriously want to slam this. Very well done! :D
Going to DragonCon 2014? Team Kamikaze and special guest Tim Farrell will be hosting a panel: Designing Characters From the Inside Out!
Sunday 2:30PM, Dunwoody Room - Hyatt Hotel
Someone at DragonCon said we should do a panel so we are. You should come! :D